I have seen in my country and other countries as well where there are alot of companies laying off and firing their employees. The respective unions are not doing anything about this because they are saying that it is because of the Recession. But in my opinion they are doing this because there are workers in the company that they wanted to get rid of along time and now is the prefect opportunity to do it.
What is your opinion about this. Do you think that these companies are really going under OR they are just using the recession as an excuse to get rid of the non productive workers?
Have a Nice Day.
Kerry
[question posted by kerriannc]
responses and comments:
Well if they truly ARE "non productive workers" then why hang on to them in the first place? That wouldn't make good business sense from the get go! [Irishfrndly65]
I totally agree and think unions are sometimes overrated. [mommaj]
Good discussion Kerry ,I think that mnany companies are using recession as an excuse to fire people.Some of these workers may really be people that they have waited to get rid off from a long time but then for others its just a quick fix to cut their expenditure and improve their profits.I believe this because many of these companies never look objectively at ways to trim their inefficienci.Many of them could have trimmed the perks and expense accounts of their upper management team and then think of a phased work session before thinking of laying off workers.And another reason why I think that these firing schemes are "half baked" is that many of the remaining workers ahve to work twice as hard doing two persons work anyway and this suggests that they were needed. [ronnyb]
You are so correct ronny, and these workers who are doubling need to stop talking in hushtones and make these bosses see that they cannot do all the work. But as you know some people are selfish and will not say anything at all. [kerriannc]
I think it could be a little of both. Unions have, through the years, made it darned near impossible to get rid of slackers, which is only bad for the company and great for the workers. But, the recession is doing some serious damage to a lot of companies and they are desperate to stay afloat so they have layoffs. I hope the economy starts bouncing back soon! [fwidman]
Hi fwiddy I would like it to bounce back as well. As for the unions I don't see any benefits from it because they are not telling the workers when they are wrong. I have worked at numerous places and see the workers slack off because they have the protection of the union. These things need to look into too so that we can have a productive world. I remember when I just started to understand unions and alot of companies in Jamaica started closing down because of their demands lol. It is sad but they really need to get their acts together. [kerriannc]
I think that some of these companies are firing people just because they can get away with it, and they are using the recession, as a excuse to get rid of it's workers,the ones they wanted to get rid of a long time a go, but didn't know how to do it, so they said they will use the recession, as away to get rid of them so it won't make them look bad.sad [notlistening2]
I am in agreement with you notlistening and the respective governments need to look into this practice. There are too many big companies going under. I wonder what they were doing with all the profits that they made for the previous years. Were they running a business or a home. The news that you are getting leave one to wonder if money mangement was not being practice. [kerriannc]
Hi Kerry for me i think that all these companies that lay off these people can do much better. I dont know if they hated their workers or not but what i can do tell you is they only care about profits and themselves. I think these companies can afford to keep the workers cut their time and the high paid staff cut their wages. That would be better for everyone thanks that's just my views. [Sheldon25]
And your views are greatly appreciated sheldon. You are so correct in that these companies are not thinking about the workers. I really appreciated what Berger Paints Managers and staff did t so that every workers still have a little much at the end of the week. I would encourage anyone to purchase their products even though it only sells in the christmas season. They are cut above the rest. When you look at what they have done cutting 20% from their salaries and working four days a week even though they are the hardest hit in this crisis because the construction industry as virtually closed they are really to be appreciated. I wish that others would have done the same thing too. Thanks [kerriannc]
hi Kerry I think you are right and the companies use the recession to get rid of these they wanted to fire for some time now but the time so far was not right to do so. Anyways the employers have the say when it comes to work for many years now here in my homecountry and we employees are like chess figurines and no more. I never trusted and liked the unions I have also seen their bosses fill their pockets and not really doing something for the folks who trusted in them. [book1962]
Hi book, I am in total agreement with you. The union bosses does not care about the workers and to think that they have to pay these unions who are not putting their interest first. If workers can just unite things would be better at the workplace worldwide but there are always some who love to report to the bosses whenever time some thing is plan. I just hope and pray that persons see this and just come together to make the workplace a better place because when we look at it we spent more time there than the home we live. Thanks for your response always happy to see you here.happy [kerriannc]
I worked for a big multi national company for nearly ten years and they would use any excuse to cut back on their spending. Even now they have annouced layoffs which they are putting down to the recession. But even when the economy was booming they were still doing the same thing with layoffs and penny pinching and hurting the ordinary worker. Ok they might need to cutback with spending and such but not at the poor employees expense In my experience the companies use the current economic climate as on excuse to cut back and they don't care what kind of effect it has on their employees. [thezone]
Hello thezone what you said is what happen worldwide and this is the reason why some persons are afraid to work at a company for so long. I myself only work at one place for three years and then I move on. I realized that loyality is never recognize at the workplace. Yes the big bosses never think at what they does with the poor. They just cut and go to their board meeting and check how much money he/she will be getting but I am a firm believer in that what one sow which he/she shall reap. This is the reason why alot of these big companies are crying for bankruptcy because they did alot of damage to the poor and disadvantage and now is the time for reaping their rewards. I wish you all the best.happy [kerriannc]
hi Kerry, I agree with you. Maybe some of the company is real affected by the economic crisis, but there must be a part of the company take the opportunity to get rid of some workers. [Sandy831203]
Hi sandy, every industry is crying foul and I am really wondering if they are at the bottom. There are times I wonder where are all the profits that they made over the years. Aren't it still in the bank because surely we know that there will be up and downs. In the bible there were a parable with the rich king and his downfall. So they should have cushion themselves for this down fall but it is the know fact that they don't want to be seen as a kindhearted person/company among their peers. [kerriannc]
well, i am fortunate enough to have a job in a stable multinational company and hence not affected at all during this recession time... but i know many other unfortunate workers who are being laid off because of this economic condition... i don't think companies are making excuses to fire people off just because of the recession... if they want to get rid of the non-productive workers, they could have done it long ago and don't have to wait for recession time to do it... take care and have a nice day... [lingli_78]
Thanks for your opinion but I tends to disagree because there are companies who wanted to fired workers who are unproductive but when they look at the amount of money he/she will receive they have them there hanging around. Now is the prefect time to lay off that worker or to redundant them with a small amount of money and point out that they cannot pay because of the recession. We all need to look at how they think too. We cannot live in a vacuum. Take carehappy. [kerriannc]
Why are there companies that wanted to get rid workers long before time? 1. Non-productive workers.. - Well, of course, all of us have to agreed that during recession, they will be selected to be retrenched.. 2. highly paid management workers - ok, they are productive, but one person pay can be equivalent to 10 people pay? they will be another bunch to go.. Why on earth there are companies that will retrench people that are hard-working, productive in terms of the salary that they are getting? Yeah, i agree that lots of workers that have worked in a specific company for decades are asked to leave, but that is because usually, younger people new to working industry, expecting a lower salary are able to do their job. Love your job, not your company, you never know when your company doesnt love you!! [allentcl82]
lolYou are so right allentcl loving your job instead of the company makes you even love the things you do and not look at the pittance that you are receiving. [kerriannc]
hi,I have my own idea,in fact,the economy is now in recession,my companies is laying off workers,at the same time, in my hometown, it is also hard to find jobs for students who are going to graduating, if the company have strong potential power, they would not fire anyone. However... [caocao2008]
hello caocao welcome to MYLOT yes in small hometown there are always problem where employment is concern especially for graduates. And there are times when we have to really look at these business as well because there are citizens who will prefer to go outside of the hometown and transact business instead of doing it right where they live to encourage good economic growth. When this happen then the business owners will take a stance in closing down or laying off. It is a sad situation but I hope that during this recession persons will see the ills that they did to help to contribute to the negativeness in a community. [kerriannc]
yes i totally agree with you,everyone talking about the recession and every bossman want to cut down their employee's salary even fire some guys he/she don't like during the past longtime.my lawoffice also talking about to cutdown the salay , what affecting would a local lawoffice have during the socalled recession? why all the bossman can't bring a kind heart and realize that the employees also do benifits to the company and even all the benifits are made from the employees? [celebratelifeh]
Well my dear me and you maybe will not see how the recession will affect a law office but maybe they the owners see it. Can it be that Crime will decrease, persons will not be suing their employers because of non payment because these persons will not be employed. Well we never know about the minds of criminals or law abiding citizen do we. Let us pray that they will change their mind o.k. happy [kerriannc]
i think they are just really being affected by the recession. Some companies might be doing that( making the economic crisis as an excuse to fire the people that they don't want) but i think most of them are just doing it for cost cutting. getting rid of the non-productive workers should be done w/ or w/o economic crisis, they(non productive workers) just deserve it because i can't see any point why a company should keep a non productive employee unless they want to go bankrupt. [tiohwji]
I don't see the reason to have non productive workers at the workplace either but sometimes it is the same company that makes these workers become non productive. Some of these workers were at one time looking out for the company but the company was not looking out for them and so because the unions are there to back them managers are unable to pay them off. Employers need to appreciate their employees so that they continue to be that progressive workers he/she was at the beginning of employment. [kerriannc]
hey kerry..i think due to conomic crisis n recession heses companies ar compelled to lay off the employees but at th same time it has also given the oppurtunity which they may have been looking for some time to fullfill thier needs...means xtra advantage that no one is going to question them about that and if that happens they can blame recession... [arclite123]
hello arclite, I don't believe that companies are compelled to lay off workers. They can stagger the hours so that workers can receive a little much to tide them over. If I had a business were I have employees that is what I would do. Some managers does not have any heart and see their money decrease is a no no for them. [kerriannc]
Hi, i think recession is affecting the companies...and since they have not got enough project in their hand at the moment.so all these lay off drama is going on...recently 500 employees of an it major here had been given pink slips on the gate of the office while they were going to work...can you believe that! [sunil_008]
oh that's so terrible...i don't know much about the tourism and construction industry.but through your words can visualise the situation.since they are already booked for couple months from now.so what's the problem?don't they need people to work in this season...sounds unethical. yes,its really tough for the parents to say such things to kids...well indeed dificult time for the people in the tourism and construction sector.hope things will be better soon... [sunil_008]
I think recession is affecting all the companies...they are out of projects...so they are giving pink slips to the recent ones(i think)...an it company here had given pink slips to 500 of its tech employees on a single day...can you believe that... [sunil_008]
Both if you ask me. folks will do things to say well a recession is going on, and we feel that we cannot keep you because it's affecting us too. To me, that's a bunch of crap. Right here in our fair city, the Mayor just laid off about 16-18 people from their jobs, but at the same time, he just got a $24,000 increase in salary. Now, you tell me, is that necessary? [Savvynlady]
That's is really sad and to know that it is the same persons who have put him in the office. This recession has really shown electors that there representatives are cold hearted and only put their interest first. It is so good for cartoonist and newspapers that are showing these people up. Thanks for your input. [kerriannc]
Well, I kind of think that the recession is a valid reason to lay off workers - companies have to keep their stock market values up, and one way to do this is to show that you are cutting costs. It's unfortunate, but true. And if you are going to lay off workers, it makes sense to lay off the least productive ones. [cutepenguin]